but you can't do that until you talk about how you're going to fund a defense and not increase revenue. with the cliff that we're faced with, we're talking about maybe a 50% reduction in the defense department, and so, you have to talk about how you're going to pay for all of this. >>, and lastly, it was so interesting, we're talking about fiscal cliff. we're talking about an avalanche. we're talking about an austerity problem. this is very strong language, very scary words. >> yes. >> the american public is not going to accept anything short of some sort of a compromise. are those words sort of floated out there something to manage expectations, possibly? >> well, you know, the press has basically coined the fiscal cliff and promoted the idea of this catastrophic position that the congress finds itself in. i think that what the public is looking for is they're looking for reasonable, sensible legislators to talk about what is possible. they're looking for both sides to be willing to compromise. but one thing we know for sure, the president has a mandate. the people have spoken, and th